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The Jan. 6 Capitol riots were a uniquely tumultuous moment in American democracy. But they weren’t so unusual in the course of world events. It remains to be seen if Trump’s insurrection marked a peak of violence and political instability—or just the beginning.

VICE News speaks with Mike Duncan, the author and award-winner podcaster behind The History of Rome and Revolutions, about parallels between the United States’ recent chaos and other historic societal upheavals. He thinks the worst might be yet to come.